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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:19 am 
That is really well written, Eli. I'm glad you did this.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:55 pm 
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I found that note very inspiring, Eli.


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:39 pm 
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Just posted it. I hope people take me up on the offer to talk to me in person.


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:57 pm 
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That is really cool, Eli! Hopefully other people around there will see it and find it encouraging too. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:21 pm 
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Oops, wrong thread!


Last edited by Graphite on Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:26 am 
I'm not sure if this really classifies as ableism, but yesterday I was very disappointed in my fellow book club members. They're otherwise very lovely people, but yesterday they were discussing the newest member's trigger response to a book that was read in a less than respectful fashion. I don't think they were being intentionally malicious, but they really seemed to think it was "odd".

I finally resolved to write a letter to the group leader:

"I wasn't able to say this during our book club meeting, because it's such a touchy subject, so I'm going to say it in text: I'm really uncomfortable about the way the newcomer's triggered response was discussed.

Like I said, I've had many friends who have been through rape, child abuse, and spousal abuse, and as a result there are things that will trigger them. I think we owe it to survivors to take their justified responses to trauma seriously, without calling them "crazy" or even the milder "unusual".

I have my own reservations about this woman, but I think our discussion of her "unusualness" bordered on bullying, even though I'm sure you and D certainly didn't mean it that way. I know you, and you're one of the nicest people I've known, so I know there was nothing malicious in your intent, but I think sometimes even the nicest people can be unintentionally cruel because there aren't enough messages in society that teach us to be aware of and sensitive to the different experiences other people have lived through.

I hope you don't feel as though I'm shaming you, and I hope I don't come across as condescending to you: I just really felt like something had to be said. If you can, please pass the message along to D."


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:45 pm 
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I'm just gonna copy paste from my blogoblog about something I took issue with from the internetosphere.
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Ableism and suicide and wishing death on people

apparently a postcard (link) (image description below) about wishing suicide on family members with mental conditions “exemplifies the beauty of the postsecret community”, also people with said conditions are just selfish and lazy and not trying hard enough and should really take horrible hospitals as a learning experience.

That discussion I linked has no discourse on how abled people often go beyond wishing death on their disabled kin and go and murder them, nor anyone calling wishing death on innocent people horrible. There are some reasonable posts, and a few voices from people with mental conditions, but way too much of it is one big pity party about how hard it is to live with disabled people and how they can totally sympathize with the feeling they should just off themselves to make things easier for everyone else or can’t help but hate disabled people for ruining their life.

Ummmmmm, I’m not even sure I can be articulate about this right now. Just…. fuck that noise to hell and back.

Image description: The back of a postcard, in the style of an old european playing card but titled “El Diablito” and depicting a devil standing next to a couple of modern pill bottles, one overturned with pills spilling out. Text is superimposed and says:
“My brother’s mental illness is destroying my mother’s life. Even though I know it’s not his fault, I sometimes wish he would kill himself so my mother can live again.”

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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:14 am 
That makes me feel really, really awful inside. :l I hate this world.


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:23 am 
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Trigger warning for self harm and ableism

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I saw that today!! Ugh, I found it so upsetting. I am a fan of PostSecret. I think it is a great project and give him a lot of leeway in publishing about upsetting topics. I think he absolutely should NOT have published this card. I find it especially ironic because PostSecret raises money for the suicide hotline and does a lot of advocacy for suicide prevention. This card seems to say "if you have a mental illness, you are a burden on your family. Kill yourself and they'll be grateful."

Ugh. Awful. Someone did answer it on the site, saying their mentally ill brother did commit suicide and their mother never recovered. I still don't think that ameliorates the sentiment of the original card.


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Dose of Ableism
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:38 am 
I think this hits me so hard because it's just a more extreme version of what my dad does all the time. He's constantly explaining how hard it is to work so hard and have to take care of someone who does nothing. He's always telling me how hard I am to live with. As if I'm the one who has to understand. Like being mentally ill is a fucking cake walk just because I don't "have to work". I don't think my dad would ever wish that on me, but it's all part of the same ableist attitude that somehow having to deal with me is so much worse than me having to deal with own problems. There also seems to be the underlying assumption that if I just understood how hard it is for him I would magically start becoming more functional.


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