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Cracked.com has a scathing review of the new first person shooter set in the wild west game Red Dead Redemption. Trigger warnings for: descriptions of brutal video game violence against women, rape, misogyny, and mind blowing douchebaggery.

Times like these are when I exercise my talent for laughing with horror.

Argh! I was looking forward to this being an awesome game... and now this. 'Let's all hate women' is enough for me to treat this like a plague-ridden rodent, but on top of that, the game mechanics are apparently crap, the controls are woeful, and it's buggy as hell. Mind you, my expectations for the company that produced the various Grand Theft Auto games are basically non-existent. Hellooooo, game industry? Can we have some content which conforms to the 'people who are not macho, dick-waving dudes are people too' principle, with a side of reasonable clothing? Please?

I told a male acquaintance about this, showing him the article, and his first reaction was, "So?" And then he went on to explain that it's just being "realistic to the values of the time" and that I shouldn't "complain about a game I've never played".

Yet another schmuck gets blocked and deleted from my buddy list. 8D

The only way I can avoid being mansplained-at if I mention this sorta stuff to my dude-roomie is by spooning on a bunch of 'ok, so you know how your average gamer guy is socially inept and really bad at thinking of women as normal..." (Clearly you personally are not a typical gamer guy, so I must be talking about lesser beings than you) "Well, imagine the effect it has on them when the only models of women they see are 'whores'..."

THEN he's capable of going 'oh, I get it! constantly representing women in media as bad creates dodgy expectations in men!' I haven't figured out how to have that conversation without having to reassure him in his dudeliness yet. Sigh.

Blarf. I can critique all sorts of stuff I don't do. TW violence: I know I think snuff films and crush films are abhorrent, and I am happy to say I haven't seen either. I have never played Grand Theft Auto, but have seen it played and have seen lots of screen shots. I am comfortable in saying it is loathsome.

And, how does he get to decide what the "values of the time" are? Just because some video games may cater to this extreme misogyny, that doesn't make it the overriding value system of society. Does he seriously believe those activities depicted in the game reflect greater societal values?

He might have been talking about the values of the era in which the game is set, in which case he's still wrong. And slightly horrifying. And wrong. As far as I'm aware, tying ladies to train tracks has never been a widely accepted practice in North America. I can't speak for anywhere else, but I hope that holds true for the rest of the world too.

That's exactly right, Mom. We don't always need to experience something in full to know it's bad. And yeah, he was talking about the era the game is set in, but that's still pretty bad. I tried to explain to him that the game sets it up so that abusing women is supposed to be something that's fun and hilarious, but he wasn't listening.

In a way I was using the game review to test him. If someone has a knee jerk reaction of defensiveness whenever misogyny is brought up, I know I don't want to talk to them anymore. It might be harsh, but it works for me.

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