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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:42 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:24 am 
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Learn Hexadecimal wrote:
Megann, I respect you for your efforts to keep your mod powers out of this discussion as much as possible, but the fact that you are a moderator of these forums does have significant bearing. If (heaven forfend) I became a moderator and then (heaven forfend twice) started having a male privilege meltdown all over a thread somewhere, even if I explicitly kept my mod hat out of the discussion as you have quite commendably done, I would expect that to have a damaging effect on the forum community and I hope there would be widespread calls for my resignation. I honestly don't feel qualified to say whether the same should apply in this case, but I do think it's time for another mod—several more mods, if possible—to weigh in here.
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This is why I did not want to have this discussion. I have prepared my posts with care every time and all I get back is labels and some pretty insulting one's at that. I am done. Take care.
Or that could happen. But I don't believe the problem ends with this farewell.

I tried to keep my mouth shut after Megann left but I just don't think I can leave the conversation with Megann deleting her account as the end of it. Princess Backpack said repeatedly that she really appreciated the community support and I don't want to denigrate that one bit but it seems to me that there's something missing from the conversation that Learn Hexadecimal touched on here. Megann started out this conversation reluctantly, probably because she had a hunch her views would not be welcome here, and she left after page 3. Yet people continued to respond with posts directed at her. I have no problem with this and again it's part of the community support that I know is appreciated, but what I didn't see is a recognition that conversation should happen here that isn't centered around Megann.

Somehow there was a moderator on these forums who was virulently transphobic. I know there wasn't a lot of vetting of the mods (understandable, given how the boards came about) and there is certainly no vetting of members. It seems pretty likely to me that this situation may arise again, either with transphobia or with some other extremely hostile bigotry. I want to know if the community and the moderators in particular are willing to remove a moderator or ban a member for this behavior. Megann was in clear violation of the forum rules, but the only moderator other than Megann who responded on this thread, MomTFH, responded in a similar vein with the rest of the community: addressing Megann's transphobic arguments, but not mentioning any disciplinary action. Learn Hexadecimal remains the only person in the thread to have brought up the idea that Megann should no longer be a moderator. When I was viewing the "Who is online" page and saw that Megann was in the Administration Control Panel after I made my post calling her a biological essentialist, I felt unsafe.

I would like to know that moderators can and will be removed as moderators, if not banned, for this behavior regardless of whether or not they request account deletion on their own. Can I be alone in wanting this assurance?

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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:34 am 
I agree. The mods are supposed to be here to keep us safe, and it feels very unsafe when they turn out to be bigoted. Since I don't think it can be helped if we sometimes mistakenly have such people as staff, it would be great if we had a policy of acting quickly and decisively when someone like that does show their true colors.


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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:53 am 
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Quixotess, I didn't feel comfortable calling for Megann's resignation as a mod, because I didn't feel like I should be "backseat modding". I was hoping the other mods would see how unsafe and angry she made members feel and would take action on their own.

I'm not sure we need a replacement mod now that Megann is gone, since she wasn't very active in the first place. However, if there ever comes a time when a new mod is selected, it would be nice to have member feedback and maybe even a voting system. We're a somewhat established community now, so there's no need to just haphazardly select moderators.

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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:02 am 
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We're such a small community still that I don't think we need another moderator just yet. I definitely support removing/banning people who make members feel unsafe.

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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:18 pm 
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For my part, I would support making this the kind of community where member feedback/consensus is an important part of deciding whether a member should become a moderator and whether a moderator should continue being a moderator. In other words, I don't believe calling for a mod's resignation or removal should be subject to the term "backseat modding"; I would rather it were an accepted part of the process.

I also suggest that perhaps there should be a publicly available code of moderator conduct that indicates what might cause a moderator to lose (heh) privileges.


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 Post subject: Re: trans-people and cis-privilege
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:30 pm 
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I put something up on the mod board about emergent moderation. I think the community's input into member and mod behavior is always welcome.

Also, a side note that won't always apply in the future, but Megann did ask to be removed as a mod a while ago, due to schedule constraints. But, it still said moderator under her name.


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